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Thursday, March 24, 2005

Is This True?


"If the Sufis call you Salafi and the Salafis call you Sufi, you know you're just about in the right place."

11 Comments:

  • At 3/24/2005 04:18:00 AM, Anonymous Yusuf Smith said…

    As-Salaamu 'alaikum,

    Well, in some ways and not others. The Salafis call any Sunni who approves of Tasawwuf a "Sufi" which isn't the Sufi definition, and there are certain types of "Sufis" who will accuse you of being a Wahhabi if you disagree with their odd practices. But also, Salafi means a member of the Salaf who were the early generations of Muslims, and today it's been taken to mean someone who follows, or thinks he/she follows, their way. I once met a Yemeni of the Beni Alawi who said that "we" (meaning Ahlus-Sunnah) are the real Salafis, not the Wahhabis.

    But if a real Sufi, who is also a scholar of Islam, thinks you're a "Salafi" (Wahhabi), then it's definitely not a good sign. If you are some sort of "hippy Sufi" who smokes weed or whatever (hey, there's enough of it in Morocco and that is the most Sufi country, isn't it?), the Wahhabis will still call you a Sufi. That's not a good sign either.

     
  • At 3/24/2005 06:35:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Just what do you think a Sufi is, Saffiya?

     
  • At 3/24/2005 09:50:00 PM, Blogger Leila M. said…

    Well, and then there's those of us who get called kafirs or munfiqs, lol

     
  • At 3/24/2005 11:32:00 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Lets not forget the Druze's and the Bahai's or how about the NOI's and 5%'s and lets not ignore the Jews or Christians or how about Buddhists and Hindu's. I'm sure there is enough room in God's Kingdom for all! Don't you think, Saffiya?

     
  • At 3/25/2005 05:14:00 AM, Anonymous Yusuf Smith said…

    As-Salaamu 'alaikum,

    :Lets not forget the Druze's and the Bahai's or how about the NOI's and 5%'s and lets not ignore the Jews or Christians or how about Buddhists and Hindu's. I'm sure there is enough room in God's Kingdom for all! Don't you think, Saffiya?:

    What on earth have those groups got to do with the question Safiyya asked? Sufis and Salafis are Muslims, none of the other groups you mention are.

     
  • At 3/25/2005 08:40:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Walaikum As-salam,

    Brother Yusuf Smith, when the post is addressed to you, than know that you must respond but it is not addressed to you, so please mind your business! Thank You!

    Salaam,

     
  • At 3/25/2005 10:01:00 AM, Blogger Mere Muslim said…

    as-salamu 'alaykum wa rahmatullah,

    I recall hearing Sidi Hamza Yusuf use this quote in one of his lectures. I don't think we should read too much into it, since I think all he's trying to say is that one should try to strike a balance between the external and internal aspects of Islam. Thus we don't want to fall into the error of either the extreme Sufis who ignore the requirements of the Shari'ah, nor do we want to be Salafi-Wahabis who emphasize form over content thus making the Deen very spiritually arid.

    Rather, we should be so strict about following the Shari'ah that to the astray Sufis we seem like Wahabis. At the same time, the Wahabis will call us "Sufi" due to our spirituality and for seeking the great richness that lies under the external rulings of Islam. As I see it, one of the main errors of so-called "Salafi-Wahabis" is oversimplification and shallowness. One might say that the "Salafi-Wahabis" have all of the answers but none of the questions.

    The short answer is that it's all about balance and avoiding extremes.

     
  • At 3/25/2005 05:47:00 PM, Blogger Safiyyah said…

    Anonymous: Sufis are the really scary monsters that lurk around in my closet during the day, but come out at night to cast dauntingly huge shadows over the rest of my darkened bedroom. Believe it or not, Sufis also feature very prominently in my nightmares. So I am very, very fearful of them and think they should be zapped out of this world before they frighten other good Muslim kiddies like me!

    A few generalities for all readers: Please don’t post anonymous comments. At least give some identification. I find it rather discomfiting when anonymous people question me. Secondly, anyone can comment on this blog. In fact, I’d feel honoured if people engaged in their own respectful discussions here. So Yusuf, please stay - I enjoy your comments. Br. A. Squires, I agree with what you’ve said about balance and avoiding extremes. I think the quote is actually quite humourous. It struck me when someone first said it to me, and so I posted it to stimulate thought. I didn’t realize it was Sheikh Hamza Yusuf who is be to credited with the statement.

     
  • At 3/26/2005 12:51:00 AM, Anonymous Friendly Anonymous said…

    "Anonymous: Sufis are the really scary monsters that lurk around in my closet during the day, but come out at night to cast dauntingly huge shadows over the rest of my darkened bedroom. Believe it or not, Sufis also feature very prominently in my nightmares. So I am very, very fearful of them and think they should be zapped out of this world before they frighten other good Muslim kiddies like me!"

    Why don't you just answer the question:

    What do you think a Sufi is?

    Salaams,

     
  • At 3/26/2005 12:29:00 PM, Blogger Safiyyah said…

    Assalaamu Alaykum,

    Reread the entire post. You’ll see that I did answer your question. But I apologize if I was having a bit too much fun there. I suppose I’m not really sure what you’re trying to get at. I believe those who call themselves Sufis are within the bounds of Islam so long as they comply with the Shari’ah as codified in the Qur’an and Sunnah. The difference is that they stress the more spiritual or mystical aspects of faith. If you want to discuss this further, then may I request that you tell me who you are and explain to me why you’re asking this question and the one about God’s kingdom? You can respond through email if you wish.

    Take care,

    Safiyyah

     
  • At 3/27/2005 09:47:00 AM, Blogger Salikah said…

    Assalamu'alaykum,

    Some background reading on Sufism is essential for discourse about "what is a sufi?". Yes, I know you weren't addressing *me*, Anonymous, but the floor's open for discussion when you post on Safiyyah's blog.

    Rumi on "True and False Sufis" http://www.sunnipath.com/resources/Questions/qa00000894.aspx

    and "A Reader on Islamic Spirituality (Sufism)"
    http://www.sunnipath.com/resources/Questions/qa00003880.aspx

    -- courtesy of SunniPath.com

    While I'm at it:
    Who or What is a Salafi?
    http://www.masud.co.uk/ISLAM/nuh/salafi.htm

    Wassalam,
    Salikah

     

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